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Мне нужно сведения ,почему Талка считали еретиком,кроме того к чему выводы Талка подаються как вроде Слова?Ведь последние проповеди звуковые Васильева основаны на интепритации Слова Талком.Неужели все дураки в Новой Церкви были и все разом заблуждались отрицая Талка?В частности в одной из последних проповедей я услышал примерно следующее- Иисус Христос до прославления не был Богом да и после прославления там не все так просто. У нас есть Слово и именно оно есть авторитет,а оно говорит что Иегова вочелоовечился и что Иисус Христос после прославления есть Бог неба и земли.и последнее есть истина не требуящая мыслить вне времени и пространства,и нет правды в том чтобы все так вольно интерпретировать,почему мы должны полагаться на мнения людей как инстанция истин,

[Виталий Сардыко]

Виталий, можешь привести эти отзывы?

Это последняя страница Tulkism Revived, без перевода, жирным я выделил самый недоброжелательные умозаключения Талка о Латинском Слове, особенно печальны последние два, если это конечно точные цитирования:

The writer in the New Church Magazine quotes Tulk as saying, "Berkeley's is but a rude, unfinished truth, compared with the perfect form which its spiritual organization assumes under the heaven-directed hand of our matchless author [Swedenborg]." In another place Tulk says:

"For twenty years I have made the Writings of Swedenborg my study, holding them to be, what I hold no other writings, except the Word, to be, divinely inspired." . . .
"From a rational perception my conclusions have been drawn of his divine inspiration."-New Jerusalem Magazine, London, 1828, p. 161.

A certain class of the modern disciples of Tulk known is "Cone-ites," have, in fact, gone so far in their profession of "the inspiration of Swedenborg" as to assert that the Writings, similarly with the Letter of the Word, are, written by correspondences, and contain an internal sense, not discoverable on the surface. An instance of this may be found in a peculiar pamphlet by Henry C. Cone, entitled, To the New Church:

"The Latin Word [the Writings] is the Human rational, and its literal, like the Hebrew and Greek, has its internal system of doctrine."-P. 51.

What this confessed belief of Mr. Tulk of the Divine Inspiration and consequent infallibility of the Writings really amounts to, will be evident from the following quotations of what he says on the same subject in other places.
Thus, in a periodical called the Dawn of Light, published in London in the year 1826, he says, among other things:

"Our illustrious author has written much on the science of correspondences, both in his philosophical and theological works; yet it does not appear that he has anywhere directly revealed the principles of the science. . . . He is content with a different and inferior kind of proof; for, instead of showing clearly and philosophically, how it is so, and why it is so, before he discloses the secret treasures of the Word, he rests his proof upon the accumulation of parallel passages, and so leaves the mind rather subdued by their overwhelming number and the striking way in which they illustrate one another, than thoroughly convinced. . . Such a manner of conveying truth . . . was, perhaps, best suited to the infancy of the Church."-Pp. 52, 53.

Again, in a correspondence with the Rev. Samuel Noble, on the translation of The True Christian Religion, he uses the following expressions:

". . . After all, he [Swedenborg] is but a mortal man, and human composition, most admirable as his undoubtedly is, must participate in the common lot. I no more expect to find his works free from error than that truth is nowhere else to be found. At present, however, they stand pre-eminent."
". . . As for material substance, if our author ever uses it [the term] I should set it down as a mistake."
". . . It would open the door to strange confusion, indeed, if we were to admit the MS. Apocalypse Explained to be of equal authority with E. S's printed writings." (Yet it was on a statement in this very work that Tulk based his peculiar views.-Intellectual Repository for 1819.)
". . . It is not sufficient to study the philosophy of Swedenborg in his works."
". . . It [an expression in the Memorable Relation in The True Christian Religion n. 605] is bad enough as it is; but how utterly repulsive would 'abivi ridens' [I went away laughing) be, if translated honestly."
". . . I still think 'abivi ridens' disgusting, as savoring too much of that spirit which unhappily excited it. Would you consent to translate it faithfully."-Intellectual Repository 406-409.

Finally, in the Preface to his last and chief work, the Spiritual Christianity, he illustrates his faith in the Divine Inspiration of the Writings in this remarkable manner:

"First, then, with respect to those passages in the works of our author which seem to imply a distinction of consciousness between the assumed Humanity and JEHOVAH, I would, once for all, beg to observe, that they are not the purely spiritual sense of the Word of God," because "the purely spiritual sense is wholly abstracted from Person, from times and spaces, and from all things of a like kind, which are the properties of nature."- Page 31.

This, then, is the "loyalty to our great Scribe" of which it is said that "few writers" had it more than Charles Augustus Tulk!

Кстати, интересный момент этот абзац:


A certain class of the modern disciples of Tulk known is "Cone-ites," have, in fact, gone so far in their profession of "the inspiration of Swedenborg" as to assert that the Writings, similarly with the Letter of the Word, are, written by correspondences, and contain an internal sense, not discoverable on the surface. An instance of this may be found in a peculiar pamphlet by Henry C. Cone, entitled, To the New Church:

"The Latin Word [the Writings] is the Human rational, and its literal, like the Hebrew and Greek, has its internal system of doctrine."-P. 51.


Тут как бы автор TR говорит что некоторые ученики Талка утверждают что Писания это Слово, то есть это по сути позиция DHL. Но дальше он приводит слова самого Талка о Слове, как бы в пику мнения учеников Талка, дескать если ученики Талка считают написанное Сведенборгом Словом то почему их учитель так презрительно отзывается о Букве этого Слова. Если я конечно правильно понял.

[Сергей Сур]

Тут как бы автор TR говорит что некоторые ученики Талка утверждают что Писания это Слово, то есть это по сути позиция DHL. Но дальше он приводит слова самого Талка о Слове, как бы в пику мнения учеников Талка,

Дальше идёт предложение -

What this confessed belief of Mr. Tulk of the Divine Inspiration and consequent infallibility of the Writings really amounts to, will be evident from the following quotations of what he says on the same subject in other places.

Что эта вера признавалась г-ном Талком Божественным Вдохновением и как следствие Писания (Сведенборга) действительно составляют непогрешимость, будет видно из следующих цитат, что он говорит на эту же тему в других местах.